Vegans need to be taught that partaking in the bee syrup is helpful to bees. Buying honey and beeswax helps fund beekeepers, who yes, take honey, but bees naturally overproduce honey. They never take more than is safe for the bees. If their bees die, they’re out of a fucking job. And if they’re mean to their bees, the bees will leave. Beekeepers love and protect their bees. They help protect their bees from parasites and predators. Yes, there is human influence that is harming bees, and beekeepers try to protect their bees from that as well. Neonicotinoids are pesticides that have been causing colony collapse disorder. They’re essential to the US’ agricultural economy at this point, which is why the government refuses to ban them. They’re most commonly used to increase corn production. If you want to protect bees, (you should,) get mad at the corn and pesticide industries, not beekeepers. AND START BUYING HONEY. IT’S GOOD FOR YOU AND IT’S GOOD FOR BEES.

Fun Facts About Honey




– Honey is mostly sugar (WoW!) it is 80% sugar and 20% water (double WoW!)

– There are over 20,000 species of bees, but only 4 make HONEY

-Honey is the ONLY food that contains all the substances you need to survive (Including WATER)

-Children under the age of 1 should not eat honey… why? because sometimes it contains bad stuff called botulism and can cause them to get botulism poisoning (that sucks, even infants should taste the deliciousness that is honey)

-Honey will crystallize under optimum temperatures (this has a lot to do with how you store it)

-Bees produce honey to eat during the winter when there are no flowers and no nectar for them.

-A honeybee would only need an ounce of honey to be able to fuel a flight around the world (this makes for a very cultural bee!)

-A typical beehive can make up to 400 pounds of honey a year! (Wowza!)

This reads like it was written by a bee and I’m 100% here for it

This is singlehandedly THE BEST compliment I have ever received 🙂


@ Anon– Here’s a How It’s Made on raw honey extraction. This shows a major factory setup, but effective extraction is carried out by plenty of smalltown beekeepers on their own with simpler setups. The same friend I mentioned before actually has a hand-cranked centrifuge that he uses to extract honey for jarring. 

I also don’t know of any smalltown keepers that use the cherry-scented gadget when extracting. We only ever use a bit of wood smoke in our hives. The smoke serves two main purposes– First, it tricks the bees into thinking there’s a fire nearby, so they’re less focused on potential predators and more focused on filling up with honey and pollen to take with them if they have to abandon hive, and Second, it masks the scent of any alarm bell pheromones workers might start putting off when they realize that there is no fire. they also just don’t care for the smell. One of our girls accidentally flew through some smoke from a campfire we had out back and had to crash land on my dad’s knee and regain her composure before going off on her way again. 

Overall most smaller beekeepers don’t care much for commercial beekeeping methods–they tend to be more focused on profit than caretaking–but this is a decent vid for showing the extraction process. And, as it says in the video, regardless of whether it’s smalltown or commercial, the bees do not starve because of the honey extraction. Bees have no real concept of how much is too much when it comes to producing honey, so a good healthy hive tends to make about five times more honey than it actually needs to survive. This is also why small beekeepers only start harvesting honey after their hive has made it through at least one solid year on its own, so that they can be sure the hive is healthy and able to sustain itself even if some honey is taken out of it. 

honey production does hurt the bees. the honey stolen is replaced with a toxic synthetic sugar substance which isn’t healthy for them. honey isn’t for humans to steal, please educate yourself.





Arright, sit down, you’re about to get some knowledge dropped on you by somebody with beekeepers and meadmakers in the family.

“toxic synthetic sugar substance” you’re referring to? Is sugar water.
Literally SUGAR and WATER. There’s nothing synthetic about it. And the
bees only rarely need a LITTLE bit of sugar water to help them get
through, because if they’re provided with enough nectar, bees will make a
shit-ton of honey. Most hives generate more honey than they can ever

And when a hive starts getting too full, the bees may swarm and try to go find a new place to live. Do you know what happens to a more than three-quarters of swarms that leave their hive? THEY DIE. Yup. Either they can’t find a new hive, or they run into predators, or they wind up landing somewhere that humans don’t want them and then exterminators get called.

So removing a few frames from the hive, taking out the wax and the honey, and replacing them for the bees to fill with new comb and honey and larvae is actually GOOD for the hive. The bees stay busy, they’ve got frames to fill, the queen doesn’t feel the need to go anywhere, and their human buddies can help keep them safe from natural predators and pesticides.

The mutually-beneficial relationship between humans and bees has existed for literally thousands of years. People keep hives, bees pollinate crops and make honey, people harvest the honey, the bees get extra protection and can happily buzz away keeping the plants healthy and making more sweet sugary goo.

Honeybees are an endangered species. If they die, not only does your
vegan diet become completely impossible, but the entire planet is
royally fucked.

And do you know who’s doing more than anybody else to keep them alive and make sure we don’t all starve?

BEEKEEPERS. And they treat those bees like their own damn children. They’re not going to feed them toxins or “steal” all their food, they want the bees to be happy and healthy and THRIVING.

Being vegan is absolutely fine, but don’t go trying to tell other people how to eat and don’t sound off on shit until YOU educate YOURSELF. Try talking to an actual beekeeper sometime. Or at the very least, read an article by a beekeeper instead of relying on someone else’s scare tactics.


Meanwhile agave nectar, often touted as the healthy eco friendly vegan alternative, has a higher level of fructose content (per weight) than high fructose corn syrup, and has been linked to a possible increase insulin resistance and heart disease. 

As for eco friendly? The plant itself takes anywhere from 7 to 14 years to grow, and in order for it to be harvested (and you bet your white ass it’s not a white person doing this labor intensive procedure) the entire plant has to be killed. 

That’s right, it’s a highly non sustainable resource with long term environmental ramifications for the locations it is grown in (primarily Mexico and South Africa) both in terms of  economics and cultivation. But don’t worry, we’ve gotten around that by building plantations which grow only monocrops of the plant which in turn require the use of chemical fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides , which, are you ready for this, are killing the bees on a global scale.

But sure. Human consumption of honey is harmful. Yea, okay. Sure.

one more time folks, your vegan diet relies on bees.

if humans didn’t have this symbiotic relationship with bees, your diet in a temperate climate, new york hipsters i’m looking at you, would consist of like 90% barley and all your teeth would fall out by age 30.

nobody’s making you eat honey, but y’all need to stop talking ignorance in people’s inboxes like you’re the door-to-door missionary of food righteousness.

I watched The Equalizer recently. Is it really possible, in your opinion, to seal up a gunshot wound with boiling hot honey? McCall does this as a quick patch up so can keep fighting later on. Wouldn’t it just hurt more when he tries to take off the honey to treat the wound?




I’m honestly not sure. I know honey is bacteriostatic, so you can use it as an antibacterial salve on minor wounds. As for actually sealing a wound? Especially one with deep trauma. I’m skeptical. This would be (almost exactly) like trying to treat a gunshot wound with Neosporin. Yeah, it’s great for minor cuts or mild burns, but against a bullet, not so much.

If this is after field surgery to keep the wound from getting infected, it’s a lot more plausible, but not just, “boil and pour it in there.”

My recollection is that boiling honey breaks down the enzymes that make honey bacteriostatic, which is vital to preparing it for fermentation into mead. …but, the internet say I’m wrong, that you can get honey to ferment at room temperature if you cut it with enough water, and that there’s no enzyme function involved.

I suspect that, as with a lot of organic mater, your body can pretty safely absorb it during the healing process. So, getting it out of the wound is a lot less important than you might think. That said, if you do need it out of the wound, you can wash it off, which you need to do when cleaning most wounds.


Well honey’s bacteriostatic properties come from two things. First of all honey is simply too highly concentrated to allow any bacterial growth. The second is through hydroxide radicals, though I’m unsure how these are formed.

Since honey consists in large part of sugars, it will start to caramelize when heated, as well as the water will be evaporated. Once it cools down again it should become solid. In that sense it does sound plausible that you could seal a wound with it. It doesn’t sound like a very good idea though.

Given my first hand experience with sugar burns, I’m adding that to the list of things I never want to try.



of course, not everyone can do all these things! but if you are concerned, here is a list of information and resources.

The global and European situation with bees and other pollinators
Watch Marla Spivak’s TED talk: Why bees are disappearing

Bee declines and the link with pesticides
Pesticide toxicity to bees

List of bee plants by category
Know your garden store: Don’t poison bees by accident

Bee garden facts

how to buy honey
get in touch with a beekeeper
about urban beekeeping

About wild/solitary bees & how to build a bee house
more on bee houses

Some US states will pay you to take up beekeeping
DIY backyard beekeeping 
About commercial beekeeping 

Bee Health: Background and Issues for Congress
(unfortunately, I cannot provide a comprehensive list of how to contact local governments, it would be much easier for you to research this on your own.)

Another list of things you can do to help bees (there is some overlap)
bee nest 101
Facts about pollination


(all drawings by mod aliza)