So guys, the thing about Marvel… the reason most of the movies are so shitty, and that Marvel keeps stabbing us in the back… is that these movies are not made for us.

They are made for young men who just want a release of testosterone by watching muscle-bound guys beat each other up and occasional boobs. The intended audience doesn’t give a flying fuck about character development, or plot logic, or even right and wrong.

Their target audience is the guys who gave the world Gamergate.

Usually we don’t care about this. In a movie starring Jean-Claude Van Damme or something, no one expects complexity or logic, everyone expects punching and explosions.

Unfortunately for us, they accidentally hired a couple of super-talented actors who gave depth to what were supposed to be cardboard characters. And we begged them to follow through and they were really pissed. What are those girls doing in here? How dare they want something good? We’re trying to indulge ourselves in mindless escapism here.

That’s why they keep screwing Loki, alternately torturing his character or giving him stupid scenes. It’s why they hired the worst director currently drawing breath, the loathsome Taika Waititi, to direct Loki’s fourth movie: to punish us for loving Loki.

These movies aren’t for us. Really great things could be made of these raw materials but for the most part they won’t be, no matter how much we beg for a Loki movie that doesn’t try to pretend that some other character is the main one (as if Loki wouldn’t be the central character of any story he was in), or a Black Widow movie, or less whitewashing of characters, or a logical resolution to plots that have spanned several movies, or for Steve and Bucky to get officially married already. They’d make huge bank on these things, but they won’t, because they hate us more than they love money.

Let’s channel our frustration into creating new canons that follow through on their promises. That achieve their potential. The way they back-stabbed us will never stop hurting, but we can create something good out of it.

And those of you who decide to do just that, please, link me. I wanna read or watch it.

mosellegreen:

If I could just stop trying to see the various characters Tom Hiddleston played in the various Marvel movies as the same character I would get a lot more sleep.

Seriously, I think a leading cause of nerd stress is that too many cooks spoil our broth, the broth being our movie and comic book characters.

Though granted, having numerous writers of numerous different quality levels with mutually exclusive interpretations of the characters did lead Tom Hiddleston to some amazing work. Tom and a lot of fanfic writers.

If I could just stop trying to see the various characters Tom Hiddleston played in the various Marvel movies as the same character I would get a lot more sleep.

Seriously, I think a leading cause of nerd stress is that too many cooks spoil our broth, the broth being our movie and comic book characters.

Email list I’m on: “You’re going to want to see Black Panther this weekend!”
Me: *unsubscribes*
My brain: It’s probably really good, but what with Nazi Captain America, TDW, and Waititi’s vile Ragnarok I’m too pissed at Marvel to see it. Marvel’s made so many blatant displays of bigotry in the last few years that even an all-black-superhero movie can’t wipe it out. I’ll watch it on dvd in a few years when I’ve had time to heal.
ETA:
msmynx: Really, it is super awesome! I understand the negative feelings, but this is so well done, it’s worth the viewing. But if you don’t, you’ll totally get to enjoy it when it comes out later.
Me: I expect it will be good (though Roommate will screen it for me to make sure, as I trust Marvel about as far as I can throw it, and I throw like a person who can’t throw). But just like I had to delay seeing Winter Soldier because I knew I would resent it because not even a shred of that goodness could be spared for *my* movie, it looks like “Black Panther” is the movie that should have been made about Loki. And I certainly don’t begrudge T’Challa a good movie, even though I never heard of him before CACW came out, but why couldn’t it also have been given to a character who has already earned it? (In the movieverse, I mean. For all I know T’Challa has earned it in the comics, but that’s only relevant to the tiny minority of people capable of plowing through Marvel comics.)
Me: But eventually I had dealt with TDW enough that I could love CAWS for itself, and I did and do. So eventually, when I’ve had time to deal with the obscenity of Ragnarok, I’ll rent Black Panther and I’ll probably love it.

Email list I’m on: “You’re going to want to see Black Panther this weekend!”
Me: *unsubscribes*
My brain: It’s probably really good, but what with Nazi Captain America, TDW, and Waititi’s vile Ragnarok I’m too pissed at Marvel to see it. Marvel’s made so many blatant displays of bigotry in the last few years that even an all-black-superhero movie can’t wipe it out. I’ll watch it on dvd in a few years when I’ve had time to heal.

On Facebook I complained a bit about how that Marvel “class photo” left the second most important person in Marvel movies, Tom Hiddleston, out but included vile talentless scumbags Taika Waititi and Jeff Goldblum plus various other bit players and a friend who is willing to forgive Marvel for being evil started arguing with me and I just can’t even.

It just angers me so much that there are so many really talented (and ethical!) creators in fandom who are struggling to pay their rent with bullshit jobs and create great art in their “spare time” while talentless asswipes like Waititi and Alan Taylor et al are paid millions of dollars to make complete shit.

But, you know. If they started hiring screenwriters and directors based on ability, there is the horrific risk that they might hire someone WHO HAS A VAGINA! Much better for Waititi to vomit out another incompetently edited glorification of rape and torture and child abuse than for, say, Patty Jenkins to direct a Marvel movie.

Girls, in a year or so when I have my own life slightly more together let’s make some tv series together. A buncha fangirls and undiscovered New York actors and the internet. We’ll set the world on fire.

I’m outlining an original story right now. Naturally the hero is based on Loki.

I considered whether, for this particular story, I should have my hero be raised to see some other ethnicity as evil and savage and inferior, and then find out ze actually belonged to that group.

So then… after the initial freak-out, what has to happen is that, whether it starts right away or only after much resistance, my hero overcomes zir self-loathing over being a Jotun/Jew/whatever, and discovers that when you actually get acquainted with people instead of seeing them as bestial Others, they’re just people, with good and bad points and all that, even if they are blue or black or Jewish etc. 

But I mean, who needs to be told that story at this point? It’s been told for decades. Ad nauseam. The story above is paint-by-the-numbers. It’s too blatant and simplistic. It’s preachy!

And yet. And yet Marvel started the story above and millions of people managed not to conclude that kidnapping a child of a different ethnicity and raising them to be racist against their own genetic group is wrong. Indeed, that parents who do so love their “adopted” children and that if the child 1) is upset about this deception or 2) actually believes the racist messages he has been immersed in since infancy, it’s because that child is evil. 

(naturally, Loki’s horror at being a Jotun, the motivation for all of his deeds and therefore virtually all of the events in his first movie, has been almost entirely forgotten in the movies, except for him asking Thor if he knows Loki’s true parentage and then dropping the subject without getting answered)

So gosh, apparently this nursery school story does need to be told again? We do have to spell out “racism is bad” in alphabet blocks?

One of my bunnies is in fact for a story where a white nationalist adopts a Jewish baby as an “experiment” to see if it’ll grow up to control all the world’s banks and newspapers as was its genetic destiny or if it can be trained into Aryanness (ie being a dumb jock). You can easily see what I’m ripping this off from. Damn thing writes itself.

icyxmischief:

lokiperfection:

Kevin Feige: 

“Loki is an ally of Thanos”

The Loki Fandom:

Still not buyin it, why would he reveal such a huge plot point so early? 

It’s been years since anyone believed Feige has seen any of these movies. If it does turn out to be true, it’s because it’s Odin disguised as Loki. Odin would love Thanos and mentor him in evil.

mosellegreen:

It just really bugs me that there are so many talented creators in fandom who have to struggle to earn a living and squeeze out time and energy for art while talentless creeps like Taika Waititi are getting paid to make horrendous skeevy movies. Alan Taylor was enough of an insult. At least Joss has some talent despite his issues and shortcomings and casting couches. But Waititi? Whose idea of Loki is that he has to endure sex with sleazebags to survive? And that domestic abuse is good?

I just feel so discouraged and I know I’m not the only one. Why even bother to try when people with no ability and messed up beliefs get all the opportunities? And when I could be making this exact post about politics instead of movies?

@plush-anon: “To be fair to Waititi, everything that WASN’T established in previous Thor movies – Sakaar, the Hulk, Grandmaster, Valkyrie, Hela – was all EXTREMELY enjoyable on its own merits. Personally, I think they should have had Taika make a Planet Hulk movie instead – he has clearly stated he holds no love or respect for Thor & Loki as characters, and that never bodes well for a film when a director hates his primary characters.”

…Good God. And people try to tell me I’m paranoid about Marvel’s malevolence.

Anyway, I knew Waititi wasn’t for me (I tried to watch his godawful vampire mockumentary and could only endure 5 minutes) and didn’t intend to see Ragnarok anyway, but when I heard about the creepy Frostmaster stuff and a few other things, that’s when I started to seriously hate Waititi. If he was just going to smear mud all over the characters, he should have had the decency to turn down the job.

mosellegreen:

mosellegreen:

So from what’s filtered through to me despite my efforts, it seems Ragnarok is doing a standard abuser move.

“Sure, I treated you like shit, nearly killed you numerous times, made your life hell, betrayed you and broke your heart, but that’s okay because UNDERNEATH IT ALL I SECRETLY LOVED YOU.”

Thor is not capable of love. Abuse is not love. Thor is a totally evil piece of shit who has never cared about anything other than dominating everyone around him. He doesn’t deserve Loki’s forgiveness or ours.

I know we like to think that no one is beyond redemption, but the movies have worked really hard to make it clear that Thor is far beyond that. He will continue to murder and torture people as long as he is alive. He has never loved anyone except himself.

Thor doesn’t love Loki. Thor is not capable of love. He’s Prince Joffrey grown up. Stop making excuses for his genocides, unprovoked murders, conquests of other planets, mass murders in the service of Asgard’s hegemony, betrayals, and torture. He’s an evil piece of shit. He’s Hitler with better abs. 

ETA: And after all the shitty behavior we’ve had to put up with from Thor, having the greatest hero who has ever appeared on the screen be compared to a snake is Marvel spitting in our faces yet again.

I mean, I like snakes, but come on.

@cafekat91: “I try to explain this to people and they think I’m crazy. People overlook this missdeeds of pretty people. Especially if the movie is named for them. Its why most ppl sided with Steve in Civil War even though he was wrong. Its frustrating.”

So much word.

Just needed to share this again bc this movie pisses me off